“The Family Cloth”
Here’s where we get really, really crunchy on you. Be prepared.
When we had Vera and thought about how to diaper her, it was an easy choice. People have been diapering their babies with cloth for… well, I don’t even know. A really long time. People started using disposables, but it really has only been a matter of a few decades since that’s been the norm. Cloth diapers now are so user friendly- I’ve never used a safety pin to fasten one. If you want them to be, they can be just about as easy as disposables (little colorful all-in-one diapers that have a waterproof layer all sewn into the diaper itself). Washing is really nothing to complain about, I find. It’s not as easy as throwing it in the trash, but it’s a small price to pay to not contribute to the needless destruction that is caused by disposables. A few facts:
- 3.5 billion gallons of oil + 250,000 trees are used just to produce a years worth of disposable diapers in the U.S.
- Most diapers are produced using loads of chemicals and are bleached (a process which produces dioxin- one of the most toxic substances around)
- They basically never decompose once in the landfill (I mean, they estimate like 500 years…)
- They pollute local groundwater
- About 18 billion diapers are sold each year, and about 90% end up in landfills… you do the math.
- Disposable diapers are regularly thrown away with fecal matter- a substance which is NEVER supposed to go into landfills and poses serious health risks.
So there’s all that, and I likely missed a bunch. But I also have to mention that cloth diapers are way cuter, and they save us boat-loads of money (barring the initial investment, but you can cloth diaper your baby for very little if you wanted). What’s not to love?
Anyway, that was a no-brainer for us. We started out using disposable wipes, though, and quickly realized that it was just as silly to use those when we could use cloth wipes and just throw them in the wash with the diapers. Then, we started thinking about how we use paper wipes too. We realized that we should be using cloth wipes as well, and had resolved to do it over a year ago, but we just took forever to get around to it. The other day we ran out of toilet paper and we talked about it again. We had this pile of cloth wipes upstairs all cut and ready to stitch up the raw edges, and it just hasn’t happened…
When I was working this thing out in my head (the summer after V was born), I was pretty self-conscious about it. I got looks, I got some pretty surprising criticism about being unsanitary, and it was just intimidating. I’m sure that’s part of why we stalled so long on putting it into action. Today, I don’t feel that way about it. I’m sure I’ll still feel self-conscious when I talk to some people about it, I don’t like to think that people are judging us or think we’re gross. At the same time, it just doesn’t matter what they think ultimately. What we do at this point is about more important things than how people perceive us. Just a few toilet paper facts:
"One of the most commonly used type of tree can produce around 1,000 rolls of toilet paper. Given that Americans use an average of 23.6 rolls per person per year, let’s do some rough number crunching:
23.6 x 303,824,640 (USA population at July 2008)
= 7,170,261,504 rolls of toilet paper a year
98% of that figure (the market share of toilet paper from virgin fiber)
= 7,026856,273 rolls a year
now divide that by 1,000 (what each tree can produce in rolls)
= 7,026,856 trees per year
Even if you should take out the "hybrid" brands that contain some percentage of recycled content, this would still amount to millions of trees."
"Whether it’s plantation timber or not, this represents millions of trees that could be cleaning up carbon dioxide, not sh..! Then there’s all the other very important functions that trees perform in our ecosystem. At the very least these trees could be put to far better use in more semi-permanent applications such as furniture or building materials.
Recycled content toilet paper traps
Buying toilet paper made from recycled materials is great but even this can present some challenges.
Recycled paper needs to be deinked before it is pulped and processed. This deinking process may involve chlorine to bleach the paper. Chlorine based chemicals can react with paper fibers to create toxic compounds such as dioxin and organochlorines.
Dioxins cause cancer, learning disorders, decreased immune response, diabetes and all sorts of other nasty problems in the environment. By the way, the same chlorine issue is prevalent when using virgin-fiber based toilet tissue too."
(Source)
Plus, I look at the trend in cloth diapering and how much more normal it’s getting, and I just wonder if we’re just on the cusp of another trend with cloth wipes. I can’t really be concerned with how other people feel about it right now, because I know that it’s the right thing for us to do as a family. Jeff is so all about it that he wants us to get rid of all toilet paper in the house so that even visitors have to use the wipes. For now, I don’t feel as militant about it. I am keeping a roll on the back of the toilet in case we have a visitor who is uncomfortable with it. We’re on our fourth day with cloth wipes, and it’s seriously no big deal. I don’t know why we waited so long. Here’s our set up:
Basket of cloth wipes on the floor next to the toilet (I may have to elevate them on a stool for when Vera is using the big potty, which will be very soon!). They are made out of either flannel or terry cloth. Soon this basket will be pretty full most of the time, but we’re still in the process of sewing up all the edges.
I had planned to make waterproof bags (much like the ones I use for Vera’s diapers) to hold the wipes, but I just never got around to it. When Jeff and I decided it was time, we commissioned my friend
So yeah, they snap over the (former) toilet paper holder, and have a waterproof lining on the inside. Perfect! We’ll just switch them out as each batch gets washed. Anyway, from only four days on this cloth wipe thing, I have no complaints. I only use one wipe each time, and it actually seems to be cleaner than paper (and I don’t have to use excess paper just to create a barrier to keep my hand clean). Another advantage is that it gives us the opportunity to get cleaner than we did with tp- if we feel like this might be a doozy, we can just wet a wipe at the sink before we take a seat… We’ve also yet to throw a wipe in the toilet, which I thought would happen a lot at first.
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My main reflection is this- we’ve become really out of touch with what is really "clean" and what is really "dirty". So many people scramble around working to create the squeakiest of clean houses- when in reality that kind of living just isn’t that good for you or your immune system. So many of the products in modern households (shampoo, soaps, detergents, etc.) are far more toxic for us than the dirt and grime they are combating. The fact is, the use of many of these disposable products creates a very dangerous world for us (and all our non-human neighbors) to live in. From production to disposal, these products are only creating the illusion of cleanliness and ease. Some may think it’s too much to ask that each of us deal with our own individual waste, but personally I don’t want the job of cleaning up the mess that it is creating- and I don’t wish to give that mess to anyone else. We’ve all outsourced this stuff- and made the whole process more toxic and wasteful to boot.
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I have only cloth diapers right now. I need more if I am going to use them for the new baby…and I plan to as soon as I am supplied π I have used cloth wipes for the children but I don’t always. I think it’s smart and money-saving! I have never used feminine supplies that were re-usable but I have a friend who says they’re great…I don’t have a problem with any of it. π
I really love the cloth pads for the comfort factor. All those layers of soft, cuddly flannel is far more cozy than plastic with adhesive stuck on it.
Oh cool! You can get set up really cheap if you wanted- let me know if you want any info and I’m happy to help. Also, I use a reusable menstrual cup and supplement with cloth pads (on my really heavy or really light days), and I don’t think I’d ever go back. So much better! Especially the cup- it’s really nice to never have to worry about going to the store or being stuck somewhere without supplies. It’s just right there with you!
hey! i thought of you today… using a menstrual cup for the first time…. WHERE HAS IT BEEN ALL MY LIFE?
honestly, why are these things not being used by EVERYBODY. So much better for your body, less impact on the earth…. and so much easier to use! wow!
I know, right? I can’t imagine going back. It’s just so much better… So glad you’re liking it! Nice to see you on here, too. I miss your posts!
Neat! I’m also loving those bags. π
Toilet paper is absolutely *not* a necessity for cleanliness. Corncobs, mussell shells, catalogs, and bidets have all served the purpose around the world. I really like the cloth idea!
Also, for your amusement: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/572/what-did-people-use-before-toilet-paper-was-invented
That was hilarious. Yeah, we did a little research about what people used before paper, and we basically found that it was corncobs on a string and other wipes, both cloth and paper (but more like magazines and newspapers and stuff…) That link is so funny.
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Awesome post. This is something Myles and I have talked in circles about. I’d like to do it, he’s still kind of iffy. But your setup looks fantastic! (Someone should be marketing wetbags like that regularly… ingenious!) I’m going to have to show him this post and talk some more. π
Oooh, it’d be so cool if you did it! It’d be nice to know some other people who are doing this. I’ve been able to find random people on the internet when I searched for it, but not many that I can actually have a conversation with (internet or in real life). Let me know how the conversation goes!
I’m with you on this one. Toilet paper is gross and expensive.
Yes! I can’t wait to see your whole setup, even if it is just a glorified bucket. π
do you hand wash the wipes or toss them in the washing machine?
we cloth diapered eloise, and i briefly contemplated cloth wipes for our family, however, i can’t force myself to go through with it and i definitely can’t force it on ian. we are still working on “it it’s yellow let it mellow” for water conservation. π it cracks me up to even imagine forcing cloth wipes upon our guests, not because our friends are judgmental and will never come back, but because i imagine the next time they visit they’ll bring their own toilet paper.
i love yours posts. and, on an aesthetic note, those [wet]bags are to die for!
Well, I’ve only been doing it for a few days, so I’ll likely be washing this batch with the next load of diapers. I’ll throw them in the machine with the dipes. I do think I’ll probably hand wash after both babies are potty trained, I’d feel bad running a whole load of just little wash cloths. As far as convincing yourself and Ian- hopefully it’ll just become more normal and you guys won’t see it as a huge adjustment. I don’t see the difference between cloth diapering and cloth wipes. In fact, it seems far less maintenance.
Haha, yeah, I could see people bringing rolls to our house- like camping!
Planning to use cloth pads too? A couple of my friends have gotten really into those, and I’ve heard they’re fun to make. I use a DivaCup so I won’t have to keep getting pads and tampons. I hadn’t really heard of replacing toilet paper with cloth wipes, but it sounds like a good idea when you think about it, and toilet paper does have its problems, like tearing and having to bunch it up. I don’t have a washer and dryer, and I wouldn’t want to take them to the laundromat… I wonder if there would be a good way to hand-wash those.
My mother says that she thinks that growing up in a sanitary, squeaky-clean environment is not good for your immune system, and I don’t know if it’s true, but there’s a theory that sanitized homes produce children far more prone to allergies.
I do use them! I have a little stash that I use in addition to a cup, and I love it.
I think I’d still do it if I didn’t have a washer/dryer. I would just do an initial rinse in a bucket and then wash them in a sink like anything else. Touching dirty water isn’t that big of a deal to me- especially after having a child to diaper. It all washes off.
I’m thoroughly convinced that is true. I think they’ve even found that kids that grow up in “lemon fresh” houses are way more prone to a host of problems. We are animals! A little dirt is good for us! π
While I agree that a little dirt is good for you, I guess I’ve still got the conditioning most of us get about it ground into me, so I’m still afraid to touch poop (though that would probably change if I had a baby, and I think having a cat is helping a bit). I’m not sure if I have the stomach just yet to hand-wash wipes, but I guess I could get used to it. π Menstrual fluid doesn’t bother me as much.
I didn’t quite grow up in a “lemon fresh” house… my father is phobic of germs and a neat freak, but the dog kept the house dirty, so it balanced out.
thanks for this…i’ve been thinking this one over in my head a lot and it is nice to see how it works for you…it might take us a couple years to get here too, but i have been wanting to take all my fabric scraps and make cloth wipes, pads, bags, and napkins.
my only question: when there is a lot of stuff on the wipe, do you rinse it in the toilet? how much of it can go in the washer?
I mean, there would never be so much on the wipe that I’d worry about it going in the washer. I’d always do an initial rinse, just like with the diapers. There can sometimes be a lot on the diapers, so when that happened I’d rinse it out in the toilet and then stick it in the bin with the others. Although, usually I can just kind of shake it off/scrape it a bit and then stick it in the bin. It really doesn’t have to be super clean to go in the wash, in my experience.
We use cloth diapers (and wipes) for our daughter, and I use cloth pads and a Diva cup. I mentioned the idea of family cloth to my husband, and he couldn’t get over the squick factor! It seems like you have a really workable system going, and I LOVE the wetbags customized to hand from the TP holder!!
I hope you guys start doing it! I really like that they hang from the holder, too. I was going to just do a little bin, but I decided against it because of babies crawling around, not being able to find the right kind of bin (that would be workable for kids too), etc. This just seemed right.
I figure that if anything, I could do it for myself. Being a man, he doesn’t wipe as often, so even if it were just me, it would make a huge dent in our ecological footprint as far as T.P. is concerned!
Yeah, actually, it’s been really enlightening about how much we each used. I definitely made an impact!
Using cloth diapers really does seem to be trending towards more popular to use. It’s all the rage with my new-mom friends. Thank goodness.
I had no idea that fecal matter was not supposed to go into the landfills. It’s great information!
The wetbags are super cute! I especially love the pattern of the one on the left. I have the same question as metalgypsy with washing the bag and cloth wipes; how do you go about it?
Yeah! A lot of people don’t know that you shouldn’t throw away the poop- but I think it actually says to toss it in the toilet on the package!
So for washing- since we still are diapering, we’ll just throw them in with a load of diapers (which I do about every 3 days now- basically it’s just a rinse, a hot wash, and another rinse, sometimes with a splash of vinegar). When I’m not doing diapers anymore, I will likely hand wash them. Or maybe I’d rinse them and then toss them in to wash with other rags/towels. π
Because we have a disposable diaper pack in the house :(, I checked on it. While this pack doesn’t have an explicit statement about removing fecal matter, I know we’ve found it on other disposable diaper packages!
awesome!!! love the bag idea. my only experience with cloth wipes (other than emergency at my house when i reach back for one!) my friend used a little waste basket that was lined with a fabric bag.
if you are healthy then your poops will be healthy and you wont have much to wipe off.
I thought about a bin, but I didn’t want to deal with crawly babies and potential yuck… so the hanging bags seemed to make more sense, at least at this stage of the game.
Also I agree about the healthy comment! I don’t anticipate it being very “gross” unless we’re sick or something. π
Ooo they look so pretty hanging there! I love seeing things I’ve made in people’s houses! π
So so so glad they are working out so well! Thanks for all the kind words! π I’m really over the moon you like them so much!
Oh yea, and I agree 100% about main stream societies ideas of what is “sanitary” and what’s not. It’s pretty crazy! I deal with it a lot from the cloth pad side of things. I find people are pretty misinformed or believe the lies commercialism wants them to believe. Pretty crazy if you ask me. How is paper/plastic/etc. that traveled through a machine cleaner than the underpants you wash and wear again? There doesn’t seem to be a lot of lasting logic in disposable everything.
You do good work, lady! Yeah, I think we’re a really healthy bunch of people and yes, sometimes we deal with poop and blood and the goo of life. Cuz that’s life. haha. π
To be honest, I thought you had started using family cloth a long while ago!
I have a question though: what do you do to ‘sanitize’ or ‘sterilize’ your washer? I know that after Ben has gone through a bunch of poopy dipes or has had a bad virus and the stomach issues that go with it, I’ll run an empty load with some bleach to sanitize the washer again and I’ll bleach my diaper inserts.
Are you doing anything similar with the family wipes? How do you ensure that the teeny tiny amount of fecal matter left in your washer doesn’t spread to your regular laundry? I’m not sure that I’m doing enough or doing the correct and healthiest thing. Vinegar rinses, maybe?
Just wondering your thoughts!
I know! We were going to do it over a year ago, and it just didn’t happen.
For your question: I don’t sanitize the washer. I sometimes do extra rinses if it was a very poopy load (I’m only talking about diapers now), and I do occasionally do a final vinegar rinse (but only about a 1/4-1/2 cup or so) with the diapers in the washer still. I’m honestly not that concerned with the “teeny tiny amount of fecal matter” because it’d would be so so teeny tiny. We are a pretty healthy bunch, and I’ve heard things about fecal matter being more prevalent on keyboards than toilets. Plus I think that bleach, while effectively killing everything, is pretty dangerous stuff for us. If I were more concerned with it then I’d probably do an empty rinse with vinegar. Do what feels best! Let me know what you come up with. π
Hats off to you, Grace, for lessening your footprint on this earth, you inspire me.
You may have already mentioned this – but what do you use for a regular laundry detergent? Do you use anything special when you wash diapers/wipes?
We have a bunch of Biokleen powder detergent that we got on sale, so we’re slowly chipping through that for regular clothes. It only takes a small scoop. As for diapers, I’ve used “Charlie’s Soap” (the powder) and I really liked it- and that takes an even smaller scoop, I think it’s a teaspoon! Lately I use homemade laundry powder that my SIL made, which has worked great with the diapers- I think it’s really much the same as the Charlie’s soap. Here’s a link to some recipes:
http://tipnut.com/10-homemade-laundry-soap-detergent-recipes/
The real trick with diapers and stuff that I’ve found is that I don’t want to use much detergent at all. It was weird to get used to that idea, I always thought more soap= cleaner, but not with this stuff. The detergent just logs into the diapers and makes them smellier and harsher on the skin. So yeah, very little soap and of course sun drying gets them really fresh and lifts stains. π
Phenomenal. I’m going to have to run this idea by my household. How much did the custom wet-bags cost you? I like the idea of that, rather than a bucket with a bag in it.
I’m really inspired by many of your posts. Ideally our household would be much like yours ;).
Chelsea (nashifeet), my husband and I are looking for a home that is more conducive to a natural lifestyle, we’re hoping to move in the next month or so, so I’m hoping that we can implement some of the ideas that you’ve inspired. π
That’s so awesome! I would love it if another local family was doing it! We gotta team up. Anyway, the wet bags cost me $30 with shipping included. I think it was a pretty good deal! I’m so glad that some of my posts have been inspiring- it’s really nice to get that feedback and hear about what other people are doing. It keeps me going! I have to say, getting this kind of response to what I thought was going to be more controversial is really encouraging. π
i’ve been wondering if you were doing this, or how it was going–i find this so interesting! i have a lot of stomach issues, though… this may be a gross question, but do you guys plan on using the cloth wipes when you’ve got diarrhea, too? i’m totally fine with the idea of using them for pee, and even regular poop isn’t that messy… but i think i’d start getting grossed out when there’s a lot of poo-wiping involved…
Yeah! I’d wanted to update you, but we just stalled and moved and stalled some more… Thanks for keeping up with me! Anyway, in answer to your question: we’re using it as our way of wiping, so it includes everything. Actually, I think it would be better, as we can use a bunch of wet wipes if we’re sick that will really clean us off.
The thing is, cloth diapering a baby has a lot of poop- they poop right into the diaper and you have to dump it in the toilet, and then you wipe their bum after they’ve potentially sat in it. And yet, people are much more accepting of that now than the cloth wipes for adults, even though it’s undeniably less messy. I really think it’s a matter of perspective and just going for it. And then of course there’s the question- is being grossed out a good enough reason not to do what’s necessary to help save the planet?
Yay you!
Went cloth pads in the middle of a tizzy fit one day and never went back. Best decision of my life.
Love the custom wet bags!
I’ll probably end up doing this when I get my own place. Right now, “couch surfing” and having sporadic laundry facilities, not the best time to be making changes like this or being viewed as too weird. I had a whole host of things typed about how I can’t do that right now, but really that’s the only thing stopping me. Everything else was the same/similar to reasons why I freaked out at the idea of cloth pads the first time I read about them, but in the end became much less of a big deal.
On the up side, I have bins and bins of scrap fabric for when I do decide to go for it!
Yay! Yeah, I can imagine it being a little weird while living with other people. Definitely keep me updated for when you do make the transition!
Another thought-provoking post Grace…and you’re right! It’s 100% the cultural “ick” factor that keeps our household in TP. We use cloth diapers and wipes, a Keeper cup and cloth pads, rags for cleaning, cloth napkins and handkerchiefs, but still have TP in our bathroom. When I brought up this idea to Paul yesterday, he barely mulled it over before rejecting it. I, myself, have been known to use washcloths and/or Henry’s wipes and just throw them in the diaper laundry, but haven’t made it a habit.
I think this is something to work toward at our house…thanks for putting it out there.
Well, since using the wipes I now see that I use about 95% more wipes than Jeff does- so even just you making the transition will make a big difference! Let me know what you guys come up with. I’m really encouraged by how open to the idea everyone seems to be. π
AWESOME!!
You guys are so inspiring. And, um, those bags are SO CUTE. What a great idea, to snap ’em over the TP holder. I’m in line for a couple, that’s for sure. I really have no excuse. I have a basket of cloth wipes that I never use, probably enough for everyone in the house.
I think this will be a change that will magically show up in our house π with me as an example and just the suggestion there, with hopes that it will catch on. O is always talking about how he hates getting things made out of wood…
Re: AWESOME!!
Yeah, I’m realizing that even if just the women in a house make the change it’ll make a BIG difference. Also, I’m happy to be able to make this transition just when Vera is starting to potty train. She already knows that the paper goes in the potty, but the wipes go in the bag. Tuula could do the same! Definitely use my friend poppleshatesyou for the bags if you choose to get some- she’s great and has really cute fabrics.
I love that quote, I’ll have to save it to share with Eilidh. We’re not done quite yet, as much as sometimes I feel like I want to be. She’s very much still attached, and I know I’ll miss that connection when it’s gone…though I won’t miss the extremely painful latch, and I’m apprehensive about how I’m going to feel when I’m nursing this newborn 24/7. I might end up mostly or completely weaning her when he arrives, depending on how hard things are and how bad my supply is.
Glad it’s gone fairly smoothly for you two. I totally feel for you, I know it’s got to be bittersweet.