I’m a Jensen junkie…
"We fear death. And not just the death that all experience, but another that scares us far more than the real death that comes at the end of our phony lives. This other death that we fear even more comes before the real death- sometimes long before- if it comes at all. This is the death of our socially constructed self. Once that self dies, then who will we be? We cannot face the possibility of actually living, of actually becoming who we really are and who we would be had we not been so violently deformed by this culture. We cannot face the possibility of being alive, of living, so we turn… to jet skis and off-road vehicles, to Disneyland, Walt Disney World, Magic Mountain, and Six Flags over Everywhere. Most of us would prefer our real, physical selves die, and indeed the world die, rather than face the realization that, given our social situation, the world would be better off without all of us who allow our socially created selves to continue to breathe, to work, to labor, to produce- and that, of course, is the real point." (Derrick Jensen, What We Leave Behind)
How much of what we do is based on this socially constructed self? How important is this socially constructed self? Is this self based in love, thoughtfulness, friendship, community, and all the things that we hold precious in this life? Or is it rather based in an abusive relationship with this way of life that involves fear, exploitation, and greed? How much of what we do makes sense when we think about the consequences to the natural world? How much of our destruction of the natural world is actually optional? When I really think about it- it all is. Imagine this- humans, being together and actually enriching the natural world rather than destroying it.
Another quote of his that has been really getting at me lately:
"What’s the point? Is it to accumulate wealth? If you were to ask 10,000 people if their main goals is to accumulate wealth and material possessions, the overwhelming majority would say no. But if the answer to this question were to be based not on their words, but on how they spend most of their waking hours, the answer would be a resounding yes." (Jensen, A Language Older Than Words)
It also got me thinking about something Jeff said the other day about our morality being about what we do and not what we say. If we don’t condone the practice of factory farming, and yet we eat factory farmed meat, then what sense does that make? If we want cancer to make an exit, then why haven’t we boycotted the use of plastics in our everyday lives? Why would we allow for the production of ANY product to contribute to the toxification of our environment? I think the answer is that this culture has made us insane and totally detached from what’s truly happening. We make direct choices all the time, with full knowledge of what kind of damage they cause, and do it anyway. What does that say about our morality?
The easiest example I can think of is the conversation I had with my sister a few years ago discussing the decision to not buy new anymore. We were talking about how jeans are hard to find used- especially for her (I’m more average sized, but she’s always been tall and lean). There’s this store in the mall that has the perfect measurements and everything, and she was kind of mourning the loss of that option. Then she said something that I’ll always remember when I get down to making a sacrifice like this- she said that what had been helping her was to imagine all the people and things that had been exploited in the process of making those jeans, gathering them into a room, and having to explain to them why she needed to buy them. It was a powerful picture, and needless to say, one that keeps you looking through the racks at the thrift store. It was so powerful because she was able to find a way to no longer outsource her responsibility. Just because we can’t see those people or those decimated land bases, just because we don’t own those corporations and didn’t invent the culture, it doesn’t mean we aren’t responsible. We are DIRECTLY responsible. We have to remember that. And then we’ve got Jeff, the comedian, saying "Oh I know what I’d say to that room full of people! I’d say ‘…but did you see how good my butt looks in these jeans? I mean, you people do good work! Now look at my butt in these ones… not so good."
* I’d like to make a note that I do not feel that we should feel badly about what Monsanto is doing just because we are buying veggies at the store. I do think there are ways to boycott this stuff, but I don’t think the responsibility lies entirely on individuals. I’ll always argue that a larger responsibility belongs to those big dogs pulling the strings.
I read a story a while back about a social experiment. The same people were presented with two scenarios. The first scenario was this: a train track splits. On one side there are 10 people, on the other side just 1. The people won’t be moving, and a train is coming (I know, a crappy situation that would never happen, but bear with me…). You have a switch that allows you to control which track the train goes on. It’s headed straight for the group of people, but if you flip the switch it’ll head towards the single person. 9 out of 10 people said they would flip the switch. The second scenario was similar, but this time there’s just one track. You are on a bridge with the single person overlooking the track with 10 people on it. The only way to stop the train is to push the person beside you onto the track, thereby slowing the train enough (somehow) to keep it from hitting the group. 9 out of 10 said they wouldn’t do it.
Isn’t it interesting how what is essentially the same situation can give us such drastically different answers? I see the same thing happening with our natural world. We wouldn’t directly give someone cancer, but we buy products that basically cause it. We wouldn’t kill or torture an animal, but we eat meat every day. We don’t condone sweat shops or slave-labor, but we buy new clothing from department stores. We wouldn’t pollute a child’s air and water, but we help to cause it with practically every choice we make. We need to stop outsourcing our responsibility, then we’ll start to make the changes necessary to save this place, and ourselves.
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Jeff and I have been talking about getting rid of our TV. We only really watch stuff off of the internet (we’ve hooked our TV up to a computer like a monitor), and the occasional PBS show. Even so, I keep feeling this pull to get rid of it. Then I get scared and don’t want to. I don’t want to get rid of that luxury. I want to be able to watch movies and entertain kids easily when I can’t get something done… I mean, TV is so present in modern life. Then yesterday Jeff and I were talking about it again. I’ve always been the one to bring it up, and we grumble and stall and then for some reason yesterday Jeff was so about it. He just said, "Yes, let’s do it." Then he told a co-worker about the decision and she was concerned. I guess she’s often concerned about us and our decisions like this. Jeff told her that every decision that we make is in an effort to get in touch with our spirituality, our love, community, and justice. I thought that was so lovely, and it was a good thing to focus on when trying to make some of these tough decisions.
For us, I do think that getting rid of that shiny box will bring us together more, keep us working on our creative efforts, help our attention spans and our focus and our patience, we’ll get more sleep, Jeff and I will have more quality time together, and both Vera and I (and new baby) will learn how to work together better. I could say that we’d just monitor it, but I’m not sure I can trust that we would. It’s too easy to let Vera watch for a couple of hours when I only meant for her to watch a little. I just can’t always trust that I’ll have the self-control. Besides, I bet we won’t miss it after a while. Plus, I’ve often seen it as a time suck. Jeff and I lately have been watching about an hour and a half every night, and that’s modest viewing compared to the majority of people in this country. Even so, if that were to become a pattern for the next ten years (which it totally would if we didn’t get rid of it), then we’re looking at spending 5,475 hours just watching television. That’s a total of a little over 228 DAYS- just in a decade. I read that the average person spends about 4 hours a day… take 10 years of that, it’s just over 608 days. That’s almost a fifth of your life that decade! And that’s not even your waking hours- just total. Anyway, it’s feeling right, and a little weird.
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Don’t worry about me too much. I’m making a point to read more fiction alongside all this stuff… I’m cracking open The Bean Trees by Barbara Kingsolver today. π
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The social experiments highlight some interesting things about us as humans. It really is so much easier to be flipping switches if we really don’t have direct contact. I believe it is our selective empathy that really holds us back from evolving!
With the TV, is there an option for you to store it? Put a table cloth over it and make it a table? lol
I had a television that I didn’t turn on for two or three years and that’s what I did with it. (make it into a table for decorations. lol) I will say though, I did actually NEED to turn the television on for a couple of occasions. One of them being 9/11. The information on the internet was not available as fast as quickly as it was on live TV. I thought what was happening was a joke at first…I don’t know how speedy or not the difference would be if it were to happen today. But I did need it to find out what was going on ASAP.
I agree that it is a time-sucker. (Mostly I watch documentaries when I sit and watch) I’m not at all against keeping it turned off or even put away but I would be concerned about tossing it entirely. I do like having the option of it being available in case of an emergency or disaster where RF or cable connections may fail.
I mentioned storing it to Jeff, and he didn’t seem too worried about us being stuck without it- we’ve still got internet and we can always run to someone else’s house if we feel like we *need* to watch anything. I guess we’re just kind of following our instincts here, we’ll see how we feel about it after a little time goes by!
After writing about my TV story to you I told my SO the same deal and how I had to turn it on when I needed to know where all of the drama was going on. All I had heard was “the country was under attack”. Didn’t know where or what the magnitude of it was.
The SO says the internet *these days* is fast enough and with more options to get information streaming unlike back then. It’s a relief and now a dilemma. LOL…our TV in the house irritates both of us more than it makes us happy, I think!
I read in another comment you got rid of your microwave. I would LOVEEEEE to do that here and I’ve got a lazy step-teen that visits and relies on it for nearly everything he eats. (grrr). When that is all done-with in 2 yrs I am going to toss that thing!
Yeah, that’s basically what Jeff said about the internet- that we could probably get info fast if we needed to.
Anyway, yes, you should get rid of your microwave! We don’t miss it at all- and Jeff was kind of hesitant about that one. π
Regarding giving up the TV: James has always been the one in my family that is best at giving things up. I always hang on thinking “but what if we change our mind…”. We got rid of the microwave and TV, giving them away on freecycle. But then we watch television shows online, so I can’t really say we’re tv free either.
I remember when I first heard a variation of the ethical situation you mentioned. Except the other one that I heard at the same time was to imagine that I was a doctor with ten patients dying who all needed different organ transplants. Imagine the technology was there so that I could know for sure that the person jogging alone in that back alley would be the perfect donor for all of them and all would live. Would I be willing to grab the person and save the extra lives? The numbers is the same as your second scenario, but does the different scenario change it? It creeped me out the number of people in my philosophy class that said yes, they would do it, because numberwise it works out the same as the other more passive actions.
Yeah, I could say we got rid of the TV too (meaning any kind of cable), but we just had internet hooked up to it. But we get Netflix and watch lots of streaming stuff, and generally I like it. Oh, but recently we did hook up the tv to an antennae and now we get PBS stuff. Which is great, but I’ve found myself letting V watch more of that. We did get rid of our microwave forever ago, and I haven’t missed it a bit. I really bet that this will be the same way. π
Yeah, I always hated those scenarios- they are not fair and we likely would never be dealing with them. That’s always been my answer when someone asked me that kind of thing. Although, I’m surprised by your class as well. I wonder if it’s like them flipping the switch anyway, because they know they won’t ever have to actually make that decision for real. At least they’re consistent.
we went for a year with no TV, now we have one we don’t use. π It’s so good to not have one. the kids get over and they never miss it!! Kids can find a zillion things to do. I can spend every day finding stuff to do for myself as well. If I don’t have my internet I am a happier, more productive person too. I just find that I like to feel like I am connected to others :)It’s a time eater for sure though!
Yeah, we joked about not being ready to give up the internet! At least if we do this then we only have the computer at the desk, which is not that comfortable to sit around and watch for long- not like the area we set up upstairs. Honestly I think we’re mostly doing this for our kids. I don’t want to use it as a crutch, I want them to be able to entertain themselves and get along better with me and each other (I think TV makes kids really grumpy), and I don’t want to feel guilty about using it- which I know I will sometimes. It’s also really addictive. Even though we don’t watch much by comparison to your average person, I feel like I need that time to unwind and I generally don’t want to do anything else at the end of the night. But then I wish that I’d have more time for reading/crafting/hanging out with Jeff, and there’s that time sitting right there…
So why’d you bring the TV back if you liked not having it?
Tim wanted one again but I don’t really feel it’s necessary
We don’t watch tv, but there is one here, though it’s not hooked to cable or anything. Kris will occasionally watch a dvd on it. Otherwise, he doesn’t watch anything else, other than the news up at his parent’s house sometimes.Or the odd Canucks game, very rarely. I watch things on my computer, and I don’t feel too guilty about it. Everyone needs some sort of fun/vice/leisure activity, and that’s mine. I don’t drink, smoke, drink coffee, pop, etc…but when Eilidh naps, I watch an episode or two of the Tudors, or Nurse Jackie, or whatever. Also, I think I might go insane if I didn’t have my computer, because I’m alone about 99% of the time, and it ends up being my only contact with anyone besides Eilidh. I could totally live without a tv, though yayhappens makes a good point about having one for an emergency situation. You could always tuck it away in the basement or something. Or get a hand crank radio instead…
See I guess I’m thinking that if the TV were gone then we’d be spending more of our evenings with other people! Why are you alone so much? I really enjoy some of my “shows” and I’m a little sad to see them go. Although, I will likely set up a night to watch shows with friends or something, and that would be really fun! I think it’s just about finding what works for you. It sounds like it’s not a time-suck for you, but I’ve had the inkling for a long time that it’s just something we’re supposed to go without. π And hey, if I regret it, the universe will probably plop a tv in our laps again!
Good for you for doing what you felt was healthy for you even though it was against the grain (and still is, it sounds like). It is hard to make new friendships, especially when everyone you know is going out drinking. I wonder if you’d have better luck meeting some other moms at the library or at some local event. Is there much in the way of activism out there? π
Thanks:)
Not a lot going on in my area, no local library, either, the closest one is in Sechelt, 35 minutes away. There’s a lot more happening in Robert’s Creek, about an hour drive, it’s well known as a ‘hippie’ community. But I don’t exactly get there very often. I have gone to a few different events/drop-ins around here, where there are other moms, and there were a couple of women that seemed nice…but one that I was kind of excited to get to know moved back to Montreal. The other is nice enough, but we don’t seem to be able to get beyond being friendly acquaintances, maybe partly because she’s a fair bit older than me, and also already has a group of close friends.
Maybe when Eilidh is a bit older, and is involved in more activities, I’ll get to meet a few more moms. But really, I don’t think there’s any other moms around here that don’t drink. Maybe not every day, but their idea of a fun night out involves alcohol, guaranteed.
I hope to one day have a good friend or two in the area, we shall see. Maybe my standards are too high. But honestly, I can’t see being good friends with someone who doesn’t share at least some of my beliefs/parenting ideals. Most people around here feed there kids complete crap, either don’t nurse at all, or stop after a very short time, drink, smoke(around their kids!), put their baby in front of Disney movies starting at about 6 months, and think I’m crazy to want to homeschool, because it’s like the BEST THING EVAR when you get to send your kid off all day every day.
I’m feeling a little ranty today.
Rant away. I think it’s really important to have your standards, definitely, and really I don’t think you should waver. I could also see it getting really hard to be by yourself. Have you guys ever thought of moving? I can’t see much of a reason for you guys to stay.